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Leonard Jones
Good afternoon. I'm Leonard Jones.
Jessica Moss
And I'm Jessica Moss. Welcome to Simulectics Radio.
Leonard Jones
Yesterday we discussed mathematical ontology and the naturalistic approach to mathematics. Today we turn to a problem in social epistemology that affects how we should respond to disagreement among peers. When two equally intelligent, equally informed people examine the same evidence and reach opposite conclusions, what should each of them believe?
Jessica Moss
This isn't merely an abstract puzzle. It shapes how we navigate political disputes, scientific controversies, moral conflicts. What are the stakes when experts disagree?
Leonard Jones
Our guest is Dr. Thomas Kelly, Professor of Philosophy at Princeton University, whose work on peer disagreement and the significance of evidence has shaped contemporary epistemology. Welcome, Dr. Kelly.
Dr. Thomas Kelly
Thank you for having me. These questions about disagreement touch on fundamental issues in epistemology—what rationality requires of us, how we should weigh our own reasoning against that of others, what justification really amounts to.
Jessica Moss
Let's start with the basic puzzle. Suppose two people I recognize as my epistemic peers—equally intelligent, equally careful, with access to the same evidence—disagree with me about some question. What should I do?
Dr. Thomas Kelly
That's the central question. One view, which we might call the equal weight view, says that upon discovering disagreement with a peer, you should give their opinion equal weight to your own. This means moving toward a compromise position—if you believe proposition P with credence 0.8 and your peer believes it with credence 0.2, you should both move toward 0.5.
Leonard Jones
Let me be precise about this. The equal weight view requires what we might call conciliatory revision in the face of peer disagreement. But this seems to generate a paradox. If I truly regard you as my epistemic peer, then when we disagree, I should lower my confidence. But by the same reasoning, you should lower yours. We're both rational to become less confident, which suggests neither of us was justified in our initial confidence.
Dr. Thomas Kelly
That's one version of what I call the bootstrapping worry. The equal weight view can seem to undermine the very judgments that led us to regard someone as a peer. If I discover you disagree about some question Q, and I thereby reduce my confidence in my answer, I might also reduce my confidence that you're really my peer on this matter—after all, you seem to have gotten Q wrong.
Jessica Moss
So there's tension between the symmetry that peer status seems to require and the asymmetry involved in disagreement itself. Each person thinks the other made a mistake.
Dr. Thomas Kelly
Exactly. And this motivates the rival view, which we might call the right reasons view or the total evidence view. On this view, you should maintain your opinion if you believe it's supported by the total evidence. The fact that your peer disagrees is itself a piece of evidence, but it can be outweighed by your assessment of the first-order evidence.
Leonard Jones
This seems more plausible phenomenologically. When I work through a mathematical proof or a philosophical argument, I trust my own reasoning. If someone I regard as competent disagrees, I'll reconsider, but if I still find the argument compelling, I maintain my view. Yet this approach seems to privilege my own perspective in a way that's hard to justify.
Dr. Thomas Kelly
That's the tension. The equal weight view respects the symmetry between peers but seems to require abandoning justified beliefs. The right reasons view lets you maintain conviction but seems to violate the idea that peers should be treated symmetrically.
Jessica Moss
How do we determine who counts as an epistemic peer? This seems crucial but difficult to specify.
Dr. Thomas Kelly
Peerhood is context-dependent and multidimensional. Someone might be your peer regarding questions about philosophy but not about quantum mechanics. And even within domains, peerhood can be rough and approximate rather than precise. Generally, peers are those who are roughly equal in intelligence, attentiveness, thoroughness, and relevant background knowledge.
Leonard Jones
But this raises a problem. If disagreement gives me evidence that someone isn't really my peer, I can dismiss any disagreement by downgrading the person's epistemic status. The view becomes unfalsifiable or question-begging.
Dr. Thomas Kelly
That's a serious concern. I think we need to distinguish between prior assessments of peerhood and posterior assessments. Before considering a particular disagreement, I judge whether you're my peer based on past performance, credentials, track record. When we disagree, this prior assessment should carry weight and can't simply be discarded.
Jessica Moss
Let's consider a concrete case. Suppose two philosophers of equal standing disagree about whether physicalism can account for consciousness. Each has thought carefully about the arguments. What should they do?
Dr. Thomas Kelly
This illustrates the difficulty. The physicalist might think: I've examined the arguments carefully and physicalism seems correct. My interlocutor disagrees, but I think they're making a mistake—perhaps underestimating the explanatory power of neuroscience, or placing too much weight on intuitions about Mary the color scientist. Similarly, the dualist thinks the physicalist is making a complementary error.
Leonard Jones
Each takes disagreement as evidence that the other has made a mistake, which seems to undermine the initial judgment of peerhood. Yet they can't both be right about who's made the mistake.
Dr. Thomas Kelly
Right. The equal weight view says they should both become less confident—perhaps moving toward agnosticism. But this seems epistemically unstable. If the arguments really do favor one side, why should examining them and discovering your peer disagrees make you less confident in what the arguments show?
Jessica Moss
This connects to questions about higher-order evidence—evidence about whether you've assessed the first-order evidence correctly. Does disagreement provide higher-order evidence that you've made a mistake?
Dr. Thomas Kelly
Yes, and there's significant debate about how to handle conflicts between first-order and higher-order evidence. Suppose I work through a mathematical proof and find it valid, but then a mathematician I respect says it's invalid. The first-order evidence—my assessment of the proof—supports the conclusion. The higher-order evidence—the disagreement—suggests I've made an error.
Leonard Jones
Some philosophers argue that higher-order evidence should take precedence. If I have evidence that my cognitive faculties are unreliable or that I've made a mistake, this defeats whatever justification my first-order reasoning provided.
Dr. Thomas Kelly
I'm skeptical of strong versions of this claim. Higher-order evidence is itself evidence that must be weighed against other evidence. Sometimes first-order evidence can outweigh higher-order evidence. If I have overwhelming first-order evidence and modest higher-order evidence, it can be rational to maintain my belief.
Jessica Moss
Can you give an example where first-order evidence should outweigh disagreement with apparent peers?
Dr. Thomas Kelly
Consider perceptual disagreement. I see a bird in the tree and you don't. We're generally epistemic peers, but in this case I have perceptual evidence you lack. Your disagreement doesn't undermine my justified belief that there's a bird there—it just suggests our situations aren't perfectly symmetrical.
Leonard Jones
But many philosophical disputes don't have this asymmetrical structure. In the consciousness case, both parties examined the same arguments and thought experiments. There's no privileged first-person access.
Dr. Thomas Kelly
That's true, though even in philosophical cases there can be subtle asymmetries. Perhaps one person has thought more carefully about a particular argument, or has relevant knowledge from another domain. The symmetry of peerhood is often approximate rather than exact.
Jessica Moss
What about disagreement in moral and political domains? Should discovering that thoughtful people disagree about abortion or economic policy make us less confident in our views?
Dr. Thomas Kelly
Moral and political disagreement raises additional complications. Some philosophers argue that widespread, persistent disagreement among apparent peers provides evidence for moral skepticism or non-cognitivism. If moral claims were objectively true in the way scientific claims are, we'd expect more convergence among thoughtful inquirers.
Leonard Jones
But we find persistent disagreement in philosophy generally, not just ethics. Does this threaten philosophical knowledge across the board?
Dr. Thomas Kelly
That's the skeptical worry. If disagreement among peers requires reducing confidence, and philosophy is characterized by pervasive peer disagreement, then philosophical knowledge becomes impossible. We'd need to suspend judgment about nearly everything.
Jessica Moss
This seems like a reductio of the equal weight view. Philosophy can't require epistemic paralysis.
Dr. Thomas Kelly
Some would take it that way. Others might accept a more modest skepticism about philosophical questions where disagreement is deepest. There's also the question of whether all philosophical disagreements really are among peers, or whether expertise and insight create relevant asymmetries.
Leonard Jones
Let's consider the epistemology of disagreement about disagreement itself. Philosophers disagree about how to respond to peer disagreement. If the equal weight view is correct, then upon discovering that thoughtful epistemologists disagree about the equal weight view, we should become less confident in it. But the same applies to the right reasons view.
Dr. Thomas Kelly
That's the self-undermining worry for the equal weight view. The view seems to require that we not be confident in the view itself. Some defenders embrace this consequence, saying we should indeed be modest about our epistemological theories. Others see it as a problem.
Jessica Moss
Are there intermediate positions between equal weight and right reasons?
Dr. Thomas Kelly
Yes, several philosophers defend what we might call modest conciliationism. On this view, disagreement with peers provides significant evidence that should reduce our confidence, but it needn't require splitting the difference equally. How much to revise depends on various factors—the degree of peerhood, the amount of first-order evidence, the possibility of explained error.
Leonard Jones
This introduces a lot of parameters that seem difficult to specify. How much weight should disagreement receive? How much reduction in confidence is appropriate? Without guidance on these questions, the view becomes indeterminate.
Dr. Thomas Kelly
That's fair. I think epistemology sometimes aims for more precision than the phenomena support. Rationality might permit a range of responses to peer disagreement rather than determining a unique correct credence.
Jessica Moss
What are the practical implications? How should scientists respond when experts disagree about climate models or medical treatments?
Dr. Thomas Kelly
In scientific contexts, we often have additional resources. We can look at the distribution of expert opinion, not just a single disagreement. We can examine track records—who's been reliable in the past. We can identify explained errors—perhaps one party is ideologically motivated or has financial conflicts of interest. These asymmetries can break the deadlock.
Leonard Jones
But this assumes we can identify the relevant asymmetries without begging the question. If the dispute is about which evidence matters or how to weigh it, we can't simply appeal to the evidence to resolve the disagreement.
Dr. Thomas Kelly
Right. Some disagreements may be rationally irresolvable—at least with current evidence. In such cases, epistemic humility is appropriate. We should hold our views provisionally and remain open to reconsideration.
Jessica Moss
Does the epistemology of disagreement have implications for how we should structure intellectual discourse? Should we actively seek out disagreement with peers?
Dr. Thomas Kelly
I think so. Engaging with intelligent critics who disagree helps us test our reasoning, identify weak points in our arguments, and avoid motivated reasoning. Even if disagreement doesn't always require changing our minds, it provides valuable perspective on our own thinking.
Leonard Jones
There's also the question of group epistemic rationality. When a community of inquirers disagrees, should they maintain diverse views or aim for consensus?
Dr. Thomas Kelly
That's an important question in social epistemology. Diversity of opinion can be epistemically valuable—it ensures different approaches are explored, reduces groupthink, and makes the community more robust. But too much disagreement fragments inquiry and prevents knowledge accumulation.
Jessica Moss
How does this relate to debates about epistemic injustice and whose opinions get taken seriously in public discourse?
Dr. Thomas Kelly
There are important connections. Systematic biases can lead us to underestimate the epistemic standing of members of certain groups, treating them as non-peers when they actually have equal or greater expertise. Addressing this requires careful attention to how we assess peerhood and what counts as relevant evidence.
Leonard Jones
A final question about the relationship between your view and traditional epistemology. Does the focus on disagreement represent a fundamental shift from individual to social epistemology?
Dr. Thomas Kelly
I see it as continuous with traditional concerns. Epistemology has always recognized that testimony from others can provide justification. The disagreement literature makes this more precise and examines hard cases where testimony conflicts with our own reasoning. But the fundamental questions about justification, rationality, and evidence remain central.
Jessica Moss
Though one might argue that foregrounding social dimensions reveals that individualistic epistemology was always incomplete—that knowledge is inherently social.
Dr. Thomas Kelly
There's truth to that. We're fundamentally dependent on others for much of what we know. The question is how to integrate this social dimension with traditional concerns about first-person justification and rational belief formation.
Leonard Jones
Dr. Kelly, thank you for this illuminating exploration of peer disagreement and its epistemological implications.
Dr. Thomas Kelly
Thank you. These questions deserve continued attention, especially as we navigate an information environment where disagreement is ubiquitous.
Jessica Moss
We'll return tomorrow with more philosophical inquiry.
Leonard Jones
Good afternoon.